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    Hi guys!

    I was on a weekend-trip with Panono for the first time. Just want to show you some impressions.
    All images are more or less edited. So this is also meant as demonstration of Panonos potential.
    Will let you know whatever I changed in each image.

    Trip starts with a breakfast in the Lufthansa Senator Lounge at Munich Airport

    (PtGui: horizon alignment; Photoshop: color correction, tripod removal, facial blurring)

    Some breakfast champagne at the Bar

    (PtGui: horizon alignment; Photoshop: color correction, tripod removal, facial blurring)

    In the plane on the way to Helsinki, Finland - maybe the first Panono image at 35.000 feet altitude?
    My face is split in two images makes it look kinda weird.

    (PtGui: horizon alignment; Photoshop: color correction, tripod removal, facial blurring)

    A room tour through the hotel suite at Hilton Helsinki Strand Hotel. All room panoramas are shot with a DSLR setup.
    However the balcony and the atrium are shot with the Panono. Except of this two places you can change everywhere from day to night view.
    Have fun walking around!

    (PtGui: horizon alignment; Photoshop: color correction, tripod removal, removal of myself with the stick, removal of the worst stiching errors)
    Panono originals: balcony | atrium


    Two shots around the Helsinki cathedral

    (PtGui: horizon alignment; Photoshop: color correction, removal of myself with the stick)
    Panono original: https://www.panono.com/p/8SmuYdiOlIEM


    (PtGui: horizon alignment; Photoshop: color correction, removal of myself with the stick)
    Panono original: https://www.panono.com/p/mWDIJLE3Qzzt


    Inside the famous Temppeliaukio Church - a church built into a big rock

    (PtGui: horizon alignment; Photoshop: color correction, removal of myself with the stick)
    Panono original: https://www.panono.com/p/aQhgCHC8MGvX


    For comparison a DSLR panorama of the same place. However not 360x180 and shot without tripod


    To be continued....
    Last edited by Steve2; 02-04-16, 00:36. Reason: Panono links added

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    On the second day we made a trip to Tallinn, Estonia.

    Our cabin on the 4 hour ferry ride

    (PtGui: horizon alignment; Photoshop: color correction, tripod removal, removal of the (MANY) worst stiching errors)
    Panono original: https://www.panono.com/p/oRztxsIKbFuC


    The little bathroom with shower in the cabin

    (PtGui: horizon alignment; Photoshop: color correction, tripod removal, removal of the (MANY) worst stiching errors)
    Panono original: https://www.panono.com/p/QbGonCGPszcp


    On the helicopter deck of the ferry MS Silja Europa

    (PtGui: horizon alignment; Photoshop: color correction, removal of myself with the stick)
    Panono original: https://www.panono.com/p/UUuGEKGAaBP7

    On our way to Tallinn

    (PtGui: horizon alignment; Photoshop: color correction, removal of myself with the stick)
    Panono original: https://www.panono.com/p/AjMafZPMyy2O

    The estonian city appears at the horizon

    (PtGui: horizon alignment; Photoshop: color correction, removal of myself with the stick)
    Panono original: https://www.panono.com/p/2YFVtcJQAKHU

    The ships atrium

    (PtGui: horizon alignment; Photoshop: color correction, removal of myself with the stick)
    Panono original: https://www.panono.com/p/kKZTsXZLNWGp

    The mideavel town of Tallinn. Right at the center of the Town Hall Square

    (PtGui: horizon alignment; Photoshop: color correction, removal of myself with the stick)
    Panono original: https://www.panono.com/p/8mEtKfbhr82M

    The famous view point on the Tompea Hill

    (PtGui: horizon alignment; Photoshop: color correction)
    Panono original: https://www.panono.com/p/0sUno9tnJUWU

    Again a DSLR image for comparison


    Finally a panorama at the mideavel castle

    (PtGui: horizon alignment; Photoshop: color correction, removal of myself with the stick)
    Panono original: https://www.panono.com/p/kXzthqCsvSqr

    To be continued...
    Last edited by Steve2; 02-04-16, 00:44.

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    • #3
      Last day in Helsinki.

      We visit the islands of Suomenlinna, a large sea fortress.

      (PtGui: horizon alignment; Photoshop: color correction, removal of myself with the stick)
      Panono original: https://www.panono.com/p/5r2jHItQqtm6

      That's one large canon!

      (PtGui: horizon alignment; Photoshop: color correction, removal of myself with the stick)
      Panono original: https://www.panono.com/p/eLxw5NqAp8Va

      The area down those steps was declared as "swimming beach" ;-)

      (PtGui: horizon alignment; Photoshop: color correction, removal of myself with the stick)
      Panono original: https://www.panono.com/p/hmwPuFjB2nXl

      Right ontop of one of the walls.

      (PtGui: horizon alignment; Photoshop: color correction, removal of myself with the stick)
      Panono original: https://www.panono.com/p/y9SGneTgjO1y

      And finall the Kings Gate

      (PtGui: horizon alignment; Photoshop: color correction, removal of myself with the stick)
      Panono original: https://www.panono.com/p/LbwTN4zfNoev

      Our time is over and we have to travel back home. At Helsinki airport we spent our time in the SAS business class lounge

      (PtGui: horizon alignment; Photoshop: color correction, tripod removal, facial blurring)


      (PtGui: horizon alignment; Photoshop: color correction, tripod removal, facial blurring)


      So this was my first trip with Panono. Taking panoramas while traveling, wherever you can't or don't want to have DSLR setup was my reason to buy Panono. Actually the camera does what I expected.

      Wherever you see a comparison with the DSLR panoramas you clearly see how much inferior the panono is. The colors are always kinda weak and even image editing doesn' really help here.
      So indoor (like the hotel rooms) I will always use a DSLR setup instead of Panono. The ship cabin shows that you can really forget Panono in small rooms. I spent a lot of time to fix the worst errors in Photoshop. However the result is just mehh. Also Panono creates a loooot of chromatic aberrations (purple borders around hard contrasts) wherever some light is around. This can however be fixed in Photoshop/Lightroom very well.

      As one can see in all the examples: You can forget HDR mode where people are moving. All the blurred or ghosted people in the images just look odd. However I thought I have to shoot in HDR to not have a overbright sky and bad shaddows. I'm not sure whether I should HDR or not in those situations in the future. Maybe doing both would be the best solution. (Jonas, can we get a mode, where it takes HDR and LDR at the same time? Actually it shouldn't even be neccessary to shoot two times, one should be able to get a HDR version stiched from the data of the HDR image, when just using the EV+/-0 set? That would be great! Just an option to get a LDR version of an HDR panorama in the cloud.)

      Nadir correction (removing tripod) is very easy. That is really fun. Just a very small footprint to stamp away in Photoshop. Also removing oneself with the stick isn't too hard in most situations. The hardes part in some cases is actuall to get rid of the loooooong shaddow of yourself with the stick.

      This was a very nice trial run. In three weeks I start a big city trip (9 big cities in China/Korea/Japan within 3 weeks). I know a lot better how to handle Panono on travel trips now.

      Hope this was interesting or even helpful for some of you. Or helps waiting for your own Panono.

      Feel free to drop some feedback.

      Best wishes
      Stefan
      Last edited by Steve2; 02-04-16, 00:51.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Jonas
        We are going to add some option to create LDR from HDR in the future. As you said, the data is already there.
        Oh yeah, put that far ontop of your todo list pleeaaaaseeeeee ;-)

        I will add panono.com links except for those ones where i had do blur faces.
        Last edited by Steve2; 02-04-16, 00:36.

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        • #5
          Links are in.

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          • #6
            Thanks Stefan,
            Thats inspiring and really shows the creative options.
            Just to confirm you are editing the rectilinear JPEG alone and haven't gained access to the 36 images for the Ptgui edit (obvious I'm sure, but I think it adds to how impressive the nadir correction is)
            Jonas I had wondered if access to LDR might be possible, that's great news to hear its planned.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by GlennHawthorne View Post
              Just to confirm you are editing the rectilinear JPEG alone and haven't gained access to the 36 images for the Ptgui edit (obvious I'm sure, but I think it adds to how impressive the nadir correction is)
              Actually we all have access to the 36 (or 3x36 for HDR) images. But of course I use the stitched images for editing.

              My workflow:
              • horizon correction with vertical (or horizontal for water horizon) control point lines in PtGUI
              • color correction in Photoshop or Lightroom
              • converting the equirectangular image to cubfaces with krpano sphere2cube tool. Imagine the 6 sides of a cube. So I get an undistorted downward view.
              • nadir correction in the cubfaces
              • converting the cubfaces back to an equirectangular sphere

              Doing the nadir correction in the equirectangular image is more or less impossible.

              See following sample how a equirect looks compared to the 6 cubfaces (actually you get 6 single files).





              (By the way: Whenever you are looking to a panono.com panorama, you are looking at 6 cubfaces, not a equirectangular image in the interactive viewer. It's easier for displaying in the browser, hence also the panono cloud uses krpanos sphere2cube mechanism to generate the image you get shown in the cloud)
              Last edited by Steve2; 02-04-16, 01:57.

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              • #8
                @Stefan, brilliant, there is potential for you to produce a more extensive work flow on this ,worthy of a sticky post

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by GlennHawthorne View Post
                  @Stefan, brilliant, there is potential for you to produce a more extensive work flow on this ,worthy of a sticky post
                  Actually I have written a long tutorial on the panorama topic last year (only 70% finished though). Unfortunately it is written in German. I just took the 2 above images from that tutorial ;-).

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                  • #10
                    Great work! Best article in the forum so far. This kind of exchange helps us a lot. Brilliant how you master the modification - but it is quite time consuming. I think there should be a potential to include some of the procedures within panono cloud, especially the color corrections could be done there much better than today. Your photos clearly show the difference. I can live with the nadir, when using a tripod, but not with the color and brightness done by the cloud development.
                    Using the white label panono cloud would require this. (As I was told yesterday, the white label is available already, so I am going to try this out, to get projects faster and easieer done for customers, who do not want the Panono brand in their panoramas.)

                    You also made very clear, that the Panono ball is an alternative to DSLR for some applications, but not a replacement. It all depends on the situation.

                    Großes Kompliment für die Arbeit!!!
                    Herwig

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                    • #11

                      Originally posted by HerwigNiggemann View Post
                      but it is quite time consuming
                      Well, for the average smartphone-gadget-klick-and-be-happy-dude it might be too much work and too time consuming. For people who did DSLR panoramas before it is 5-minutes instead of 30-minutes. So - time consuming in the panono-world but time saving for the panorama-photographers.

                      I think Jonas said somewhere that he is already on some kind of in-cloud nadir correction feature.

                      Originally posted by HerwigNiggemann View Post
                      You also made very clear, that the Panono ball is an alternative to DSLR for some applications, but not a replacement. It all depends on the situation.
                      That's what I preached even years before I had the Panono in my hands ;-)

                      But yeah, see the hotel tour for example. Without the panono I would not have made the panorama in the atrium. Sure the quality is absolutley superior compared to the other images. But I have this one shot which I would not have done with the DSLR setup.

                      Thanks for the kind words.

                      Stefan

                      P.s.: Und danke fürs Teilen bei Facebook ;-)
                      Last edited by Steve2; 02-04-16, 10:18.

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                      • #12
                        Very nice work, Stefan! I have no idea how you did all this, so I'm looking forward to your criticism of my acceptance of all of the Panono's default settings once it arrives.

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                        • #13
                          Hey Steve2, first of all, sorry for bringing up an old topic - but I can't find any other way to contact you directly so I'll write here. I'm a fellow Panono owner from Czech Republic, I'm currently working on a project for which the 2 photos from Tallinn you shared here would be just perfect - could you please contact me so we talk about the possibilities? I have my info in the profile set-up.
                          Thanks!

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                          • #14
                            Sent you an e-mail.

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                            • #15
                              Great tips, I will use them for my photos! ​There are a lot of useful sites about photo and photo editing, my favorite blogs.
                              http://fixthephoto.com/ and http://weedit.photos/ for many years I have been using their manuals and always find interesting ideas for creativity there!
                              Last edited by Douglas Plante; 10-12-18, 16:52.

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